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More on Server 2008 Certification - An Early FAQ (Part 2)

Personally, I'm a little disappointed about the elimination of the MCSE and MCSA certs with these changes to the cert structure. But I understand that Microsoft wants to get away from the monolithic cert structure of previous O/S's as well as the legal problems associated with the use of the word "engineer".

Microsoft will tell you that their high-end cert is actually the MCA -- the Microsoft Certified Architect. But, let's be frank that the $10,000 price tag and process-based focus there takes most system administrators completely out of that game.

What are your thoughts? Will you miss the MCSE? Let us know. Let Microsoft know too!

In either case, here's part two of the FAQ...

As I think Server Administrator is like MCSA and Enterprise Administrator is like MCSE? Is it so? Not entirely, no. Many people will look at it that way but we actually started over with the job roles and the objective domains (what the exams cover) is a different set of skills—in some cases a stronger set of skills—in the new MCITP than were in MCSA and MCSE. Server Adminstrator covers much more operations than did MCSA. Enterprise Admin is based on an actual job role profile where the MCSE certification was not - it combined tech skills with some job skills included.

if i am mcsa only now i can take 40% discount in upgrade mcse to win server 2008 if i am be mcse in future? Answered: There is an upgrade for MCSA, too. You can register for the 40% voucher and use it for your MCSA upgrade OR... if you earn your MCSE by then you can use it on the MCSE upgrade.

I'm almost an MCSA ;-) should I go for exam 70-648, or aim forr the MCSE and go for 70-649? We’d say go for MCSE if you are using 2003! If you are just sitting there, twiddling your thumbs waiting for 2008 ( J ) then sit tight and work on 2008 when they are available.

70-620 is currently available? and if taken now it would count towards the mctip ent. admin when the other exams become available? Yes. 620 (and 621, for MCDSTs), and 624 are all available now. If you plan to earn the MCITP: Enterprise Adminstrator exam you could start with one of those now.

Is 70-647 a superset of 646? Will taking 647 earn Server Admin automatically? No. separate tracks.

How are the Server Administrator and Enterprise Administrator different? Is there a reason they don’t overlap? SA is operations focused; EA is design. There is overlap in the technology knowledge and some of the professional level skills – but we recognize these are two very separate roles in organizations and wanted to give you the option to certify on what you do. .the job roles and requirments are different so earning the EA does not give you the SA.

I have seen the Infrastructure Services TS referred to as Newtorking Infrastructure Services. Which is the "official" title? Answered: Networking Infrastructure

The Certification MCSE is not valid for Windows Server 2008. Answered: Yes--still the premier cert for 2000 and 2003

I'm MCSE and MCDST certified, doing my MCDST to MCITP: Enterprise Support upgrade exam in 2 weeks. Will I still have to to the 70-620 vista exam? Answered: if you pass 621... you cover your 620 requirement, yes!

what about logo usage? can we still use our MCSE logo. I ask because you mentioned the legal issues you are having.. I know they wont be retired, just wondering about logo usage. Yes. you can keep using your logo….

is tis mean that i don't need to take MCSE security and go direct to upgrade? Answered: depends on what technology you are working on... if you work on 2003 security --FINISH that cert!! if you are going to be an early adopter of 2008... you can wait and start 2008 (but it is a long way off so keep going on 2003, is my persnal opinion...)

Do I have to take EA and SA? Or is one better than another? Answered: depends what job role you are working on/looking for. they both cover differnet skills... so one is likely enough unless you cover a lot of different areas!

What kind of certs will be available for System Center such as SCCM and SCOM? We will release TS certs on both technologies as well as a new job role cert. Look for these in Oct/Nov 2007.

For IT pros in Quebec, did you come up with a replacement for "engineer" for MCSE 2000/2003 certified people ? What phrasing do you suggest they use on their resume for 2000/2003 ? Answered: Legally, we are only allowed to let you guys use the acronym - MCSE - it can't be spelled out.

why no upgrade parth for Windows 2000 MCSE ?? Answered: Many reasons: The technology jump from 2000 to 2008 is too great; we are now covering the job-role skills, too, and found that trying to put it all in an upgrade path makes the exams almost impossible for people to pass; if we tried to cram it all in, the upgrade exams would be way too long/too difficult OR we'd have to have so many upgrade exams that it wouldnt be a shorter path than the direct path

Do the SA/SE upgrade vouchers expire (before the exams do)? Answered: The vouchers will likely be good for about 6 months after the upgrade exams go live (you'll have 6 montsh or so to use them). The upgrade exams themselves are usually avaiolalbe for 3-5 years.... so yes, the vouchers will expire before the exams do!

is there beta certification avaialable for 2008, if yes, by clearing the beta exam, do we have to take the certification exam again? Answered: There will be beta exams for all the 2008 exams. You can learn about them here: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/status/beta.mspx If you pass the beta, you earn the certification--just as if you had taken the final (live) exam.

as an MCSE 2k3, is it logical to start with Vista cert. now and do the rest when they come out ? Answered: Yes. That is a good plan. 620 and 624 are both avaialbel now; so you can check that off your list. Then, the 649 will be available earlier than the rest of the track; so when your Pro-level exam is live you'll have just the one to go.

Scenario:I'm mcsa 2k and upgrade to mcsa2k3 what steps from there to obtain mcse2k3? and then upgrade to mcitp enterprise admin. Answered: From MCSA2k3 you would take 70-296 to earn your MCSE2k3. Then, follow the path Rob explained from there, with upgrade exam 70-649 (not available for months and months yet) to WS2008. ALTERNATIVELY, you can stay where you are and take the MCSA2k3 upgrade exam 70-648 to WS2008... either way is the same # of exams, I believe. 296 is a tough one--so if you are NOT working with 2k3 you might wait and focus on 2008. But if 2003 will continue to be your foucs--finsih your MCSE2003. These are strong certs; they aren't going anywhere; and will have great recognition for years to come.

When will content areas for the various tests be available? Probably not for months yet; Server 2008 won't release for anohter 4+ months so we won't have full details on exam content until months from now. Keep an eye on the MCP newsletter for more info.

Are there changes in the way MCT's are credentialed to deliver the new classes? nswered: MCTs must hold the applicable MCITP/MCPD (professional series) cert to teach related classes... UNLESS there is no professional-series cert; in that case, the MCTS is the requirement.

General comments about too many cert names on logos and transcripts: Well, that would be a monster. Our intent was not that you need to show all your credentials, all the time, and most customres don't get certified on everything so hopefully this won't be a very common concern! -we wanted to make it customizable so you could highlight the skills you need to show in a given situation. Also, if you earn the pro-series cert, the MCTS is covered within that... If you need to show everything -- sharing your transcript would be the way to go. For logos, you can create different logos for differnet situations--but you're right, you can't fit 10 certification names in one logo...

what about isa server it is deleted or what because in server 2008 don't talk about it? We will have a separate MCTS on ISA... more info on that soon. Also a separate MCTS on Forefront

how does one qualify for beta exams? http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/status/beta.mspx

Thanks to Sideshowtob for all this information. You can see the entire post at:
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Greg Shields, is an independent author, instructor, and IT consultant based in Denver, Colorado, and a co-founder of Concentrated Technology. With nearly 15 years of experience in information technology, Greg has developed extensive experience in systems administration, engineering, and architecture specializing in Microsoft systems management, remote application, and virtualization technologies. Greg is a Contributing Editor for Redmond Magazine, MCPmag.com, and Virtualization Review Magazine and is the author of five books, including Windows Server 2008:  What’s New / What’s Changed. Greg is also a highly sought-after instructor and speaker, speaking regularly at conferences like TechMentor Events, and producing computer-based training curriculum for CBT Nuggets.  Greg is a recipient of Microsoft "Most Valuable Professional" award with a specialization in Windows Terminal Services.